Q2: The first of it that you follow when you went into the Doll House, was that…there’s a road now that comes from Hite that goes into Waterhole, was that road there or was that part of that horse trail?

K: Well that first road left North Wash and went up along the Colorado River for quite a long ways and then they built a dugway out of the Colorado River up on the bench just above the Dirty Devil River and then they went up the Dirty Devil River about four miles and crossed and got above that Cedar Mesa Sandstone area and then on up then, all the way then on up to the Waterhole Flats area. That connected up to them other roads and also with the road that went over Sunset Pass and over to the Dirty Devil River and up to that part of the country, that Poison Spring Canyon.

Q2: Where it crosses the Dirty Devil I’d heard it referred to as a sheep crossing. I guess at one time it was a stock trail that got upgraded. I heard they drilled out there or something.

K: Well, there was a trail that crossed…well, yeah I guess that’s where they went down to the Dirty Devil River but also from the Dirty Devil River there used to be a stock trail that come right down right close to where it poured into the Colorado River. There was some slopes down there that a horse trail come right from the Colorado River up that way to get on the bench then headin’ east toward that country. But that was just a real long old rugged jeep trail and then finally I think it was in 1960 or sometime that an oil company built a big, wide, graded road all the way from Hite up around there then and followed around there and made it wider and drilled a well at Cove Canyon. And that was several years later. And then that improved the road quite a bit. But then later it washed out so much that it didn’t help anything in the end.

Q1: You said that you were following a horse trail around the head of Teapot Canyon. So there was a trail?

K: Oh yes there was a real heavy stock trail that went right from the Waterhole Canyon right on up around Teapot Canyon and all the way right on straight over there. And it ‘d been used a lot.

Q1: Had anybody driven on it until you did?

K: No, they hadn’t. The year before we went somebody had driven up, oh I guess part way around that Teapot Canyon area and then they turned around and came back out.

Q1: So in driving it for the first time did you pretty much follow the horse trail or did you have to deviate from it.

K: Well, no, mostly it was right on the horse trail. Yeah, and in a way it was too bad because that was a real neat historical horse trail. You can follow it easy on foot, you know, up through there.

Q1: So where did the horse trail go after it got around Teapot? Did it drop into Ernie’s Country or did it continue on into the Standing Rocks?

K: Well, it went around and dropped into Range Canyon and then that joined that other big trail that comes from Sunset Pass over there and then down into Range Canyon. But then it was easy to follow though, it was real easy.

Q1: But it didn’t go on then toward Lizard Rock. It dropped into Range Canyon? The old stock trail? So you were pretty much pioneering the route from there on in, not following any trails?

K: [New Addition: In Range Canyon there was a branch going sort of southeast and through a graben to the Doll House Canyon and up it to Doll House. This trail is now in use for hikers going to the Doll House area. K.F. 4/5/03] Well, I know from Range Canyon it just still continued right straight on eastward up through there, come over to Lizard Rock.

Q1: Oh, it did go to Lizard Rock?

K: Yeah, it went right around on that bench all the way to Lizard Rock out there too. And then there was another trail that went down a little bit lower from Range Canyon. And I never did follow it all the way through. But I’ve been on both ends of it. And when I was with Bates Wilson and the BLM and the Utah State Parks on one trip to show ‘em a lot of the things I’d found over in the Standing Rock country…and anyway we kind of made a jeep trail from the Doll House area down that main canyon and it was real rugged getting over a couple of jumps there and then that put us down on the next little valley below. And it’s not very far straight on, straight southward on that route, to look into Cataract Canyon. And so after I went with them, why then I took my jeep parties down that trail several times to look into Cataract Canyon. And when I was with Bates Wilson anyway we went down into that next valley (I think it has a name but I don’t remember what it was but there is some small pictographs along on the wall in two or three places) but we drove westward then up the valley to where another canyon comes down from the Fins and that part. And I guess it would be the west end of Lizard Rock area. And then when we drove up that one quite a ways and here was an old cowboy camp there and one of these little scrapers; it was about that wide, that they used to pull with a horse, you know, to move dirt over to make a reservoir with. And they had two or three little pans there in that canyon. And anyway it was right at that place where the BLM jeep, it was a military model, and it had the high speed differentials and so anyway it wouldn’t gear to quite low enough for that rough driving, and they broke their front axle on that. So they pulled the front hub off and took out that stub axle and that part and then put it back together. And so they drove it all the way back out of there then on rear wheel drive. And they had trouble in places but they finally made it out alright. We’d hook onto ‘em and pull ‘em over places where they couldn’t make it themselves. And they got out of that one. And they left that stub axle layin’ on a rock right there. I guess it’s still down there, I don’t know. It was about that long. It was a model that had two joints fit together and there was four ball bearings between each one of them joints so that it’d work just as well on the stub.